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Thanks Arc, you explained it better than I could. <3
But it helps other players as well, so your The Legend title which you proudly wear will be available to way more rivals than without Miqo. Are you ok with it?
Hell yeah I’m totally okay with that, my goals are to get my static and myself the clears, not to prevent others to get their clears.
It’s the same as with any other fantastic Miqobot features, I’m completely okay that other players with the help of Miqobot get everything the bot has to offers, I think those players made the right and smartest choice when they subscribe to Miqobot.
I wish you all a great expansion day.
Now you say that you cleared both ultimates without Miqo YET you justify using Miqo to complete them. Hmmm… does somebody else see it as a contradiction too?
It is just that you can’t read. Literally everything was there, you really just can’t read, it’s hopeless. You keep doing the same thing over and over in this forum.
Or maybe you just didn’t understand the word prog for progression??? Which would be surprising, as it is such a common MMORPG term, and you presented yourself as such a vet.
Or you didn’t understood how those fights go, what is a prog, or you just don’t want to understand on purpose, because the full detailed explanation was there, it was written in plain text, all you had to do is reading, maybe adding some bold text will help:
I was not planning to clear it with Miqobot, I was planning to prog it with Miqobot.
If you can’t understand the difference:
Even if on Ultimate Miqobot can’t pass phases checks, she’s still useful to learn phase after phase. You use her to learn a phase, then you go back on manual mode to clear that phase, and switch back to Assist to learn the next phase and die the later possible, to get the longest possible recording, to see the most possible of that phase, with no tunnel vision, to watch your entire party, to decipher faster the mechanics and come up faster with a strategy.
Like explained two times already, in the end you can’t clear it with Miqobot, how hard is it to understand that simple fact?
On the other hand, what is possible to do with Miqo for example, is to do manually phase 1 and 2, because to clear them you need to do it manually, checks are too tight otherwise, then you turn on Miqobot for phase 3, this won’t allow you to clear it, but this would allow you to focus more on deciphering the mechanics and especially die the latest possible, because each new seconds you can see of those fights, is progression. And just to see new seconds takes tons of time, skill, and spirit.
Once you come up with a working strategy for phase 3, to clear it, you need to do it all manually from 0 to the end of it, then you can turn Miqo on for phase 4, so you can focus on seeing the most seconds of it, yes seconds, that how fast you get killed by things you never seen. And so on.In the absolute end, you’ll have to clear it all manually whether you like it or not. And all credits go to you, you earned it, you were skilled enough to learn it all, and clear fully manually.
Miqo just gave you during prog some extra room to focus on the obscure gargantuan number of mechanics throwed at your party. Miqo saved you time, that’s its goal. Exactly like how FFXIV developers learn their own fight faster, using god mods for prog, then once they’re done learning it, they switch to manual to test proof it.Now to answer your questions, that have been already answered by myself in this very same topic, but you can’t read, so here we go again:
Why would one who can do it without bot want it?
Because like explained here in previous post, it takes between 150-250 hours for a skilled static to clear that fight, maybe there will be just 2 new Ultimate, maybe 3, all this within 15 months (5.1 to 5.5), so 450-750 hours out of the 10 980 hours available.
It’s not because something is good, that it becomes better the more you stretch it.
Any hours we can save with Miqo during prog is profoundly welcome. Once you’re done with prog, you don’t need Miqo anymore. And once you cleared it, it is so good to attempt to clear it again, for extra 3-slots weapons and parses. It takes lot of time for re-clears, but it worth it more than prog time.And I’m sure you’ll keep coming back at that over and over, so no, it doesn’t void your achievement, it’s not because you find a way to learn faster your college graduating exams, that it void your achievement, that it makes you inapt to perform your job, it doesn’t remove anything of it, you knew what you had to knew, you were skilled enough to use all that acquired knowledge to perform what was required. You earned it. If anything, that makes you smarter for using a faster way to learn.
But, in case the answer is “no”, what’s the point to have gear from savage raids?
It has been already answered here in 2 post I made.
FFXIV is one of the very rare game of this genre (if not the only one?) that has content (Ultimate’s) designed for max ilevel, so gear can’t help you there (unlike Savage).
Ultimate happens between Savage tiers. You need Savage gear (and tome gear) for Ultimate, it won’t help you, you can’t ease thing through gear in Ultimate, but you need the max ilevel because the fight has been tailored exactly for it. And these are the only fights that won’t get unsync or echos.The other point of having Savage gear, I explained it already here in another post, is parses, because FFXIV is driven by FFlogs.
All the raiding community is addict to it, it’s an irreplaceable tool for prog and deep analysis, everyone and their mother want to upload there their orange parses, want to reach that 100 percentiles, want to be in all its Tops. Because it’s the main tool used for recruitment, if you don’t have amazing parses there for all your years in the game, you won’t be recruited in the best statics, period.So that’s the all point for getting a BiS Savage set, re-clears of everything for parses. Same thing goes with getting 3-slots Ultimate weapons.
Assuming that he actually made it, rather than just bragging about it…
I’m fine thank you, I’m one of the very rare player that take rewards and lore a bit too seriously, but I get lots of heartwarming tells because I put on things the way they were meant to be, I wear The Legend title, with an Ultimate weapon, on the latest full Savage gear set with no glamours as a lore tribute, while sitting on the latest Top100 Ranked PvP mount. People tells me all the time that it inspires them to tackle challenges.
Everyone is free to enjoy this game like they want, and there’s as many ways to enjoy it as there are players.
To be honest, I struggle hard to NOT spit out actual real insults.
You are slow leaner, lack APM, can’t handle moving, combat rotation and party management AT THE SAME TIME, yet you want to make other people think that you are actually skilled player.
I won’t take your post as bait, I’ll take it as you’re clueless and begrudge, and you’re making a complete fool of yourself in front of all people here who actually know FINAL FANTASY XIV Ultimate’s difficulty.
I’m tempering myself out of politeness, but after all the insults you directed at me, I’m gonna break down a few things for you.
The current clear rate of Ultimate’s is 0.018%, the number speaks for itself.
FFXIV is one of the very rare game of this genre (if not the only one?) that has content (Ultimate’s) designed for max ilevel, so gear can’t help you there (unlike Savage). There’s no preparation to do an Ultimate, you don’t need to grind extra stuff, or get extra gear after it comes out, it is stripped down to just the fight, so no excuses.
I’m not trying to make a contest between two games, but since you quoted WoW, it’s a good base to instruct you on Ultimate’s.
WoW can’t put as much responsibilities on one player as FFXIV does, it’s by design, it’s 20 versus 8 players. The more players you have, the less responsibilities you can put on a single one. Again, like Yoshida stated, it is why his team can’t design true end-game tailored for 4 players, it would become impossible to clear.
In WoW, fights are also not as long, nor do they have as many mechanics, especially obscure ones that can take days to decipher (I’m looking at you woke Primals).So, among all your insults, you pretended I’m an unskilled player who should be ashamed of himself.
I cleared both Ultimate’s.
Without Miqo, cause everyone but you knows that Miqo had no combat back then, and that the fights are so much complicated and require such a high optimisation of everything that only the player can perform.To be back on topic with your reverse Y axis, and speak a language you seem familiar with, Ultimate’s are 20 times more difficult than an inverted in-flight refuelling in a F-14B with one dead F110-GE-400, or 30 times harder than an Hornet Case III recovery 3rd wire. I can testify that.
The game is so rich that there is as many ways to play it as there are players, every one is free to play it like they want.
So when I started it 9 year’s ago, I set up for myself my own goals and challenges, and I accomplished every single one of them.
FFXIV has 16 millions players with currently a bit over a million of active players, and more in the coming month.
I ranked in several seasons in the Top100 PvP, I qualified for the FRC championship, I’m in the Global Top100 for achievements, same for mounts and minions, I’m in lots of Tops for parses in FFLogs, I lead a notorious static, I have published my facetious video collection of clears, and did all this while having the most fun you can have online, with a genuine comradeship among an uncountable number of adventurers and friends.
So you can try as hard as you can to insult me, and shame me, this will only show you’re clueless about the game you “play”. Try to beat an Ultimate, you’ll see, you’ll understand why there’s so many WoW refugees in XIV. Try to reach the social skills it requires to get into and not destroy a static. Until then, your words are just wind.
Discussions here always been valuable, meaningful, benevolent and free from trolls, likely because Miqobot support and handling are the best ones people have ever seen (this forum is full of users constantly making testimonies of it), this pushed everyone to pull their best behaviour, so please keep your personal insults out, this is a great place all users love.
So I repeat my question: are you REALLY sure crafter solver was worth the effort, even in the HW content?
Was it worth the effort to have a one button solver able to craft literally everything flawlessly???
One. Single. Button.
For everything.
Every situation.
Flawless.It’s ironic to read your chapter where you explain you had to change gear many times, switch macros, wasting time on all this, while everywhere else on the forum you beg for fully automated thing from A to Z because your goal is to win money while not spending time to earn it, and yet here you are, wasting time with macros, stats, gears and switches, while Miqo has a one single button for all of it.
Do you know how hard and long it became to craft in HW? Macros, and I’m talking about outside game ones, could not do shit for 4 stars specialist, you had to craft for real every damn time, those long notorious 4 stars specialist recipes where you had to fully pay attention from step 1 to step 99.
You do it a couple of times yourself, to prove yourself you can do it, understand the system, enjoy the game in a game, and beyond that there’s no point any more wasting your time on that matter for thousand of extra iterations.
You know why those 4 stars were selling for 4 Millions a pop? That was because you could not do it with macros.They weirdly changed that in SB, end-game crafting up to there was always difficult and not macroable whatsoever.
But they can change it back for ShB, some players asked for it, Japanese players, players SE loves to please. And I would find it pretty ironical if crafting turns out to be not macroable any more for end-game content, making prices sky rocketing again, up to a point RMT web sites make more money selling directly gears instead of gils, like it was the case before SB.
I would find it satirical, because you’re after money, and with Miqo down, you would completely miss the money train of August Savage, regretting to have called Miqobot solver something not worth the effort.what’s the fun to make bot play instead of you? Does it make you to feel any better after you complete some raid while just running around, and letting bot perform combat rotations instead of you?…
You clearly don’t read what people write. And you clearly don’t know FFXIV. You know WoW, not FFXIV. You read what you wanted to read, not what was written.
What I wrote, every single time on that matter, and you can check, is that I want to use Miqobot for prog.
For the deciphering and learning steps. Because when you can focus yourself entirely on the party and mechanics instead of your DPS, you can learn the fight way faster, and create working strategies way faster.
Three years ago, it was the goal of Miqobot team when they started to talk about making a Combat feature, it was again to help users by saving time, learning faster, saving countless of wipes, alleviating the stress, in a game where the true end-game is an acrimonious firework of completely obscure mechanics.
Yoshida talked about it last week, stating there’s maybe only 3 people on earth capable of creating such fights, if that doesn’t make anyone want to challenge those, then what could?Clearing Savage on week 01 with the lowest item level is quite challenging, DPS checks and healing checks are super tights, close to Ultimate ones, to the point you have to execute perfect DPS and synergy with the party, something current Miqobot can’t do (yet), snapshotting raid buffs, synchronising them with the party, using all your kit to support the party because every single digit counts at this stage, and it’s always a matter of 0.1% everywhere.
I was not planning to clear it with Miqobot, I was planning to prog it with Miqobot. I’m planning to reach a nice ranking in FFLogs, and I’m not sure if in the end of Combat Assist development Miqobot will be able to perform at that level, devs talked about reaching a 97% efficiency, which is completely impressive, but not nice enough for FFLogs, and FFlogs is driving this entire game.
Even if on Ultimate Miqobot can’t pass phases checks, she’s still useful to learn phase after phase. You use her to learn a phase, then you go back on manual mode to clear that phase, and switch back to Assist to learn the next phase and die the later possible, to get the longest possible recording, to see the most possible of that phase, with no tunnel vision, to watch your entire party, to decipher faster the mechanics and come up faster with a strategy.
Clearing Savage on Week 01 can easily take 40 hours. Clearing an Ultimate fight take 200-250hours, whether you’re in the world race and can squeeze that in 10 days, or span it over 2 month, it’s still 200-250 hours, for likely among the hardest fights (if not the hardest) ever created in a video game.
Like Yoshida said it again himself during the media tour, the reason behind that in FFXIV is the party player count, the lower it is, the more they can put responsibilities on a single player. With a tiny 8 players party, they can make it so any personal little mistake is a wipe, whether it is mechanic or “rotations”.
And that’s why they were not able so far to make what the community is asking since years, end-game content for 4 players party. Yoshida said again they can’t, because they would have to put even more responsibilities on a single player, leading to something worst than the 0.03% clear rate of Ultimate.So, any of those hours that Miqobot can save me, she paid for herself.
Did you know that SE devs learn their own fights through 2 god modes (an invincible one and one that leaves you at 1HP and mark you dead), because it’s damn too long to learn them the normal way, and they need to test proof them a little bit (I’m saying a little bit because for UCoB Yoshida wasn’t entirely sure after the release if it was clearable).
So when devs save learning time with god modes, users can fairly save learning time with Miqobot.I have nothing left to prove in this game, you can try to shame me as much as you want, I cleared everything on time since 2010, cleared both Ultimate long before Combat Assist was released, I’m in plenty of global Top100, I’m far from being the best, very far, yet I’m good enough to stand there.
It’s like any FF games, you level up manually your FFV Bartz to level 99, next you prove yourself you can do the same with Lenna, Faris and [SPOILER ALERT] Krile. You no-lifed it one time, you proved you could do it, great, next FF if you’re smarter you take a console Action Replay to get there, and you don’t waste your time on the trivial time sink parts of the game, and focus only on what best it has to offer.
Same stuff with FFXIV, you prove yourself you can challenge everything, from the 1% chance of a 1.0 Sipahi shirt stronghold chest, to 4 stars HW recipes, soloing PoTD, or enduring the 200 hours of leading your static through Ultimate, etc. then you smartly welcome Miqobot for the amount of time she saves, as well as the amount of stress she removes from your shoulders.
But saying that Miqobot users clear raid while just running around, is quite insulting for the users, it’s showing how little knowledge you have about FFXIV, and how much you underestimated its end-game raids.
It’s no mistake if FFXIV is the little brother of FFXI, where some fights remained uncleared for 10+ years.
You might want to search in YouTube FFXIV UCoB clear videos, you won’t be able to comprehend any of those deep obscure mechanics, but maybe you’ll understand that it’s not running around for 19min.Who knows, you might even find that FFXIV is cool after all.
And with the Combat System, it’s the same, you’re working on a completely different calendar than us.
First tier of Savage will start July the 30th, some like me enjoy the race of clearing it on Week 01, Miqobot Assist here help a lot to decipher and learn mechanic faster. Some with less dedicated statics will still like having it on farm the soonest possible, and will appreciate being able to learn mechanics faster.
It’s unclear yet if there will be 2 or 3 Ultimate, 2 are guaranteed, and since SE always follow the same patterns, it likely means 1st ShB Ultimate will be there shortly after 5.1, so during next October.
So here, you have it, some important deadlines users care about in regards of Combat Assist.
If it can’t be ready for July 30th, which is very probable, then we’ll do the race the old fashion way. But the sooner it is released beyond that, the sooner it will help the majority of clearers who can take up to 6 month to clear a Savage tier.More realistically, having it ready for the 1st Ultimate, or anywhere during its first 2 month (since it takes to clearers from 2 month to more than a year of training), will help immensely to learn the porn orgy of mechanics.
The soonest Combat Assist is released, the more time it saves for users in their mechanics learning for Extreme, Savage and Ultimate. And this represent quite a large amount of time.
Are you sure?
Yeah I’m sure, Crafting Solver was released during HW where crafting through macros weren’t a thing, it only became a thing later on in SB; from 2010 to 2017 crafting with macros were not a thing.
So yeah, we needed it, for more tasks than you can think about since you’re only focused on making real money.
Same thing about the Scenario Engine, because it glues together everything else, the more time we were waiting on it, the more time we were wasting doing manually the in-between tasks, so bringing the Scenario Engine the soonest possible was how they saved for users the greatest amount of time, which is the primary goal.
OOH GEEZ… so this is THE PRICE of new combat system – delay in implementation of sooo many nice little details
No, not at all, this isn’t the price of Combat System, it always been treated this way, long before Combat System.
They always implemented major core feature first, so it’s been this way before the Crafting Solver, then before the Scenario Engine, then before the Combat System.
UI, QoL, and minor features have been mostly pushed beyond major core features, because as player themselves, and as players ourselves, what we needed most was those major core features.
Having a shorted down version of a planned list with the most commonly asked for stuff is all but a waste of time.
This is how every feature requests section ever is handled.I think you didn’t noticed the main trait that Miqobot team share, it’s both a quality and a flaw, they’re perfectionist and do it all or don’t do it, there’s no in-between.
So, in full knowledge of that fact, if you ask them that list, you know you’ll get the all list, not some half assed one, so you know this will cost precious time, you can’t say they didn’t warned you and that you didn’t knew it would cost that much time, with all its consequences:
Converting them all to a publicly readable format will take some time. It will also further delay the release of new versions due to the necessity of synchronizing the public list and keeping it up-to-date.
I know how to spot that well, because I “suffer” it myself, if someone asks me something, I make them understand I’ll go all the way because that’s my way, and that they won’t be able to pretend in the end they didn’t knew it was going to cost me that much.
It is what it is, you can call it whatever you want, a quality, a flaw, it doesn’t change the fact you knew what you were asking.I think it’s a bad idea, and I think in the end it’s a waste of precious time.
People always ask how they can help, well you can help by not asking side things like this, and you can help by continuing answering questions of people who didn’t really spent much time with the search feature.
Miqo team don’t have to share their task list like that, for many good reasons, some stuff in it are too old and were accepted based on a state of the game that is obsolete today, etc.
This would make things worse, where people gonna feel entitled enough to make the team accountable for each item of the list, regardless of today usefulness and relevance, etc.Keeping that up to date on a forum is a waste of time, such lists only belong to software created to handle tasks between teams, it makes no sense to waste the time you won while using those software, by being constrained to publish it on a forum.
Hopefully some of Miqo’s devs are already on the beta servers collecting data 🙂
FFXIV used Alphas & Betas public servers only 2 times.
In winter 2010, 7 month before FFXIV 1.0 release, public Alphas through randomised invitations only, then during the summer 2010 open public betas.
And next, between the closure of FFXIV 1.0 servers in fall 2012, and the release of 2.0 in summer 2013, alphas through randomised invitations of 1.0 players only, then open public betas.There’s no public Alpha or Betas servers since 2013.
Of course, if the Trust system will be available for repeatable grinding and not a single MSQ run, we will implement new Shadowbringers dungeons at the first opportunity.
Thank you for your request!As this issue is extremely hard to reproduce, it will take some time for us to design a proper solution.
The workaround is perfectly fine, I probably didn’t paid enough attention when you guys acknowledged you reproduced it, my bad, thanks for the explanation!
No, Miqobot always work perfectly for me, I just remembered that two people in the past mentioned that weird circumstance of a summon in the The Shifting Altars of Uznair, one said he went there as PLD, just like me.
The problem is, that to reproduce the bug, you have to go there, and it’s already rare to get that specific portal, and even rarer to stay there long enough to encounter a summon triggering the problem.
I encountered the weird bug a couple of other people mentioned in the past, Miqobot Assist stop doing something at a 3rd summons of The Shifting Altars of Uznair.
I think it was for a lesser summons.
I tried pause/unpause, stop/restart, didn’t work. We got ejected after, so I don’t know if for the next summons Miqobot could have worked, what I can tell, is that once outside, she started to work again.I was running as PLD.
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