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Gray 4 years, 9 months ago.
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There is something weird in ShB crafting… and that’s noticeable difference between me and other people who have trained their DoH skills up to 80. So far it looks like this:
– Me: still using my good ol’ green lvl70 set with a single overmeld on each piece; never using any new abilities (just didn’t care to test them); crafting intermediate mats like nuggets, ingots, threads and lumber by spamming synthesis; using sequence which makes any white craft (lvl80 included) HQ in 99% cases or so, from NQ mats; I don’t equip this stuff myself – it goes to market immediately.
– Others: spam overmelding materia which costs 30-40k per piece (!) on totally unworthy eq (lvl80 white crafted stuff!!!).Obviosly, it makes me think: WTF? So far I’ve found just three possible explanations:
1) They are n00bs who have no clue about decent rotations, and thus compensate lack of knowledge with extra gil.
2) They make themselves prepared to crafting new lvl80 green crafting gear, which is not out yet (still n00bs: in some 2-3 weeks, when we get these crafts, materia will cost 2x less for sure).
3) They know something I don’t and craft something I have no clue about – something that requires way higher crafting stats.Naturally, options #1 and #2 don’t really bother me; it is #3 which makes me wonder. So my question is: does somebody know any sane reason to waste tons of gil on overmelds right now? Are there any green crafts/master recipes for sale I failed to find?
It’s almost always #1. Also many people find a series of macros online that are theoretically .5% better but require silly amounts of stats. Also people like having a statistically optimized build regardless of utility.
People buy this pentameld gear to run crazy macros they found online, then assume there is a market. Others manually pentamelded and hated the process and sell them “to be nice and help out a random stranger.” It’s not my cup of tea but I know a few people who really feel good doing that stuff.
Honestly, in my experience there are two types of crafters. People who figure out what works for them and don’t change unless there is a need, and people who want every theoretical edge because they think they will have an edge when new recipes come out. Most of the time the people who are pentamelding and prepping don’t actually go hard when the new crafts drop, they just wanna know they could.
I always use the first gear set I can pentameld, and only meld as needed when new mats drop. Then I gear an alt with the second green set when it comes out, and then pentameld them as needed. It lasts me 2 years and is easy and relatively cheap and spaced out.
I don’t know of any secret #3 and I’ve been doing this a long time.
I always use the first gear set I can pentameld, and only meld as needed when new mats drop. Then I gear an alt with the second green set when it comes out, and then pentameld them as needed. It lasts me 2 years and is easy and relatively cheap and spaced out.
Not sure if I got this part right (why pentameld the very first – white! temporary! – set? or rather – why pentameld at all, unless these are some challenging recipes like old Ala Mhigan gear, before change?), but thanks anyway! Now let’s see if Arc answers something – it’s he who likes to pentameld everything, hehe…
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This reply was modified 4 years, 9 months ago by Gray.
I don’t pentameld the white set, the first green set (the 320 set last expac) on my main, but I don’t prentameld right away, only as needed and slowly improve it as new recipes drop. Then when the second crafting set comes out (340 set last expac) I gear my alt and then shift production to that alt for the highest level stuff.
The first crafting set can be skipped if you aren’t concerned with the ** or *** mats initially or are willing to take on some additional time (steps) or risk on quality.
That’s just how I do it, but I usually have the materia on hand to do so without any significant expense.
As everything your mileage may vary.
– Me: still using my good ol’ green lvl70 set with a single overmeld on each piece; never using any new abilities (just didn’t care to test them); crafting intermediate mats like nuggets, ingots, threads and lumber by spamming synthesis; using sequence which makes any white craft (lvl80 included) HQ in 99% cases or so, from NQ mats; I don’t equip this stuff myself
If I were you I would just equip 1 set of full white level 80 HQ crafted gear without any melds. It is hilariously cheap and it’s already MUCH better than my green 70 pentamelded gear that served me well in Stormblood. Also, wear it for something at the end of my post.
– Others: spam overmelding materia which costs 30-40k per piece (!) on totally unworthy eq (lvl80 white crafted stuff!!!).
I don’t get this either. You currently don’t need ANY materia in white crafted HQ gear, since you can currently HQ ANYTHING with just a 1 button macro at 99.99% chance (unless you get a bunch of “Poor” procs during key skills). See at the end for more info on this.
However, what I do pentameld, is my white HQ gatherer gear – but only with materia I farmed myself and only because I find it annoying to have only 70-80% chance to gather items, while pentamelded white gear increases that chance to 95%.
People buy this pentameld gear to run crazy macros they found online, then assume there is a market.
As I said: You don’t need any melds to run even the craziest macros currently.
And now for the big reveal:
/ac “Inner Quiet” <wait.2>
/ac Ingenuity <wait.2>
/ac “Manipulation II” <wait.2>
/ac “Delicate Synthesis” <wait.3>
/ac “Delicate Synthesis” <wait.3>
/ac “Delicate Synthesis” <wait.3>
/ac “Delicate Synthesis” <wait.3>
/ac “Steady Hand II” <wait.2>
/ac “Preparatory Touch” <wait.3>
/ac Ingenuity <wait.2>
/ac “Preparatory Touch” <wait.3>
/ac “Great Strides” <wait.2>
/ac “Byregot’s Blessing” <wait.3>
/ac “Careful Synthesis II” <wait.3>
/ac “Careful Synthesis II”Uses the new skill Delicate Synthesis (Increases both Progress and Quality at 100% Efficiency, 100% success rate and 32CP cost) and well, what can I say? It HQs any item basically 100% of the time from all NQ mats, with only the white crafted HQ gear without any melds, no buff food, no crafter tea, no specialist, with the press of 1 single button.
Yep that’s what I’ve been using since launch. I was more commenting on the mentality I’ve seen historically and might drive future behavior.
People like to be bleeding edge to get ahead of perceived bumps with new recipes. Crafting this expac has been a breeze, both in how to make things and in leves/facets to boost.
You can use that same macro but meld only CP to max it using VI materia and that way you can sneak in a “Reuse” before the final synthesis. Buying it all would only cost around 100k, and on top of that removing VI’s as long as they aren’t used for advanced melding (which you don’t have to, don’t meld anything but CP) is guaranteed to succeed, so you can get them back to resell or reuse for the next set of gear.
If I were you I would just equip 1 set of full white level 80 HQ crafted gear without any melds. It is hilariously cheap and it’s already MUCH better than my green 70 pentamelded gear that served me well in Stormblood.
In theory (numeric-wise) it’s better, yes… practically, though, there is no difference: I produce 99% HQ crafts anyway, so why bind things you can sell? 🙂
But of cos, I’ll make myself one – a bit later, before the patch which adds master recipes. Not sure if I’m going to overmeld it tho…
2) They make themselves prepared to crafting new lvl80 green crafting gear, which is not out yet (still n00bs: in some 2-3 weeks, when we get these crafts, materia will cost 2x less for sure).
You’re the noob if you think that materia will cost 2 times less once SE release the first set of end-game raid gear recipes, that’s completely the opposite. Materia prices explode once they’re useful and/or required.
Making billions was to buy them all cheap month ago, and wait for the release of the first set of expert recipes.
2) They make themselves prepared to crafting new lvl80 green crafting gear, which is not out yet (still n00bs: in some 2-3 weeks, when we get these crafts, materia will cost 2x less for sure).
You’re the noob if you think that materia will cost 2 times less once SE release the first set of end-game raid gear recipes, that’s completely the opposite. Materia prices explode once they’re useful and/or required.
Making billions was to buy them all cheap month ago, and wait for the release of the first set of expert recipes.
Here I thought I was the only one that went “WTF” at that comment. Materia is surely gonna spike when the next set of gears come out. The prices on them atm seem more or less stable, with only the G8s being somewhat expensive. G5/6 are extremely cheap, and once we know the stats required for the 1* recipes they gonna sky rocket. Happens.Every.Time.
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This reply was modified 4 years, 9 months ago by
LutBot.
You’re the noob if you think that materia will cost 2 times less once SE release the first set of end-game raid gear recipes, that’s completely the opposite. Materia prices explode once they’re useful and/or required.
Making billions was to buy them all cheap month ago, and wait for the release of the first set of expert recipes.
In case you didn’t notice, I was talking about crafting materia. Month ago there was no such thing as materia VII and VIII at all; week ago it was selling at about 80k and 800k correspondingly; now it sells at 50k and 500k; I guess I buy myself some once prices drop down to 30k/300k or so – right BEFORE next patch comes out.
Decided to raise fishing as well… and noticed that Miqo never uses Powerful Hookset when tiny fish bites. Well, in most cases it’s logical, but sometimes tiny fish such as Blueclaw Shrimp is also levequest fish, so I’d like to catch it HQ as well, even if it means spending GPs on it. Is there any way to force Miqo to use Powerful Hookset for any fish, tiny included?
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