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UI, QoL, and minor features have been mostly pushed beyond major core features, because as player themselves, and as players ourselves, what we needed most was those major core features.
Are you sure? I mean, look at the above mentioned Crafter solver. Granted, it can produce better results than simple macros. Maybe it can make some 9 HQ items out of 10 sets of materials where macros makes just 8. But then again, implementation of the solver took LOTS of time, right? During said time it was possible to add a hundred little features, I bet… part of which would have improved gathering performance by some 20% or so. This would basically allow us to gather more materials per given time, while accepting the fact that bigger part of these materials will go to waste because of poor macro performance. Though, in the end it would make more HQ items per given time just due to having more mats! This is why I second that dude who said “little effort, decent impact” several days ago. My botting experience (and I make my living by MMORPG botting since 2007) tells me that a simple bot with LOTS of settings for fine-tuning performs better than a bot based on heavy math, but without much flexibility.
And this is the reason I ask Miqo team: please, once you finish your current project, start implementing little features which are easy to add AND which offer decent impact on performance – rather than starting yet another grand project, which occupies you for several more weeks! Please!
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Gray.
Are you sure?
Yeah I’m sure, Crafting Solver was released during HW where crafting through macros weren’t a thing, it only became a thing later on in SB; from 2010 to 2017 crafting with macros were not a thing.
So yeah, we needed it, for more tasks than you can think about since you’re only focused on making real money.
Same thing about the Scenario Engine, because it glues together everything else, the more time we were waiting on it, the more time we were wasting doing manually the in-between tasks, so bringing the Scenario Engine the soonest possible was how they saved for users the greatest amount of time, which is the primary goal.
And with the Combat System, it’s the same, you’re working on a completely different calendar than us.
First tier of Savage will start July the 30th, some like me enjoy the race of clearing it on Week 01, Miqobot Assist here help a lot to decipher and learn mechanic faster. Some with less dedicated statics will still like having it on farm the soonest possible, and will appreciate being able to learn mechanics faster.
It’s unclear yet if there will be 2 or 3 Ultimate, 2 are guaranteed, and since SE always follow the same patterns, it likely means 1st ShB Ultimate will be there shortly after 5.1, so during next October.
So here, you have it, some important deadlines users care about in regards of Combat Assist.
If it can’t be ready for July 30th, which is very probable, then we’ll do the race the old fashion way. But the sooner it is released beyond that, the sooner it will help the majority of clearers who can take up to 6 month to clear a Savage tier.More realistically, having it ready for the 1st Ultimate, or anywhere during its first 2 month (since it takes to clearers from 2 month to more than a year of training), will help immensely to learn the porn orgy of mechanics.
The soonest Combat Assist is released, the more time it saves for users in their mechanics learning for Extreme, Savage and Ultimate. And this represent quite a large amount of time.
Yeah I’m sure, Crafting Solver was released during HW where crafting through macros weren’t a thing, it only became a thing later on in SB; from 2010 to 2017 crafting with macros were not a thing.
I got all DoH skills up to 70 without single use of Miqo (I use it for grinding only atm). Though, this is not built-in macros I’m speaking about – it’s external script, which allows WAY more freedom. Yes it was a bit hard to craft stuff with these macros while jumping from quest-granted woolen set (ilvl43) to crafted Archaeoskin set (ilvl65), and even harder while jumping from quest-granted Ramie set (ilvl100) to crafted Bloodhempen set (ilvl180). In the latter case I had to create a temporary normal quality Bloodhempen set, equip it and then craft HQ set. Still, I managed… without even being close to running out of gil. So I repeat my question: are you REALLY sure crafter solver was worth the effort, even in the HW content?
Don’t take me wrong, btw. I’m professional programmer, specialized in automation and optimization, so I clearly realize that Crafting solver was a task of great difficulty, a real check of programmers’ skills. I doubt I would have managed to make it solve as fast myself (moreover, I doubt I would accept such a trial at all, unless someone promised lots of coins). My point is, though: it could have waited, IMHO. The bot as it is now lacks just too many little-but-vital features at this moment, to spend Miqo team’s time on something as complicated + as low impact as Crafting solver… IMHO, again.
The soonest Combat Assist is released, the more time it saves for users in their mechanics learning for Extreme, Savage and Ultimate.
Kek =)
Know what… There were times when I was young, and actually played games rather than used them to earn money. And yes, I’ve spend countless dozens of hours raiding in WoW. And yes raids were THE thing we were coming for: to test our abilities – if we manage against bosses or we don’t. We managed, and it made our hearts warm.
Now, you play FFXIV for fun, while I don’t play it at all (rather, I prepare accounts for farm). So, out of curiosity: what’s the fun to make bot play instead of you? Does it make you to feel any better after you complete some raid while just running around, and letting bot perform combat rotations instead of you?…
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This reply was modified 5 years, 6 months ago by Gray.
So I repeat my question: are you REALLY sure crafter solver was worth the effort, even in the HW content?
Was it worth the effort to have a one button solver able to craft literally everything flawlessly???
One. Single. Button.
For everything.
Every situation.
Flawless.It’s ironic to read your chapter where you explain you had to change gear many times, switch macros, wasting time on all this, while everywhere else on the forum you beg for fully automated thing from A to Z because your goal is to win money while not spending time to earn it, and yet here you are, wasting time with macros, stats, gears and switches, while Miqo has a one single button for all of it.
Do you know how hard and long it became to craft in HW? Macros, and I’m talking about outside game ones, could not do shit for 4 stars specialist, you had to craft for real every damn time, those long notorious 4 stars specialist recipes where you had to fully pay attention from step 1 to step 99.
You do it a couple of times yourself, to prove yourself you can do it, understand the system, enjoy the game in a game, and beyond that there’s no point any more wasting your time on that matter for thousand of extra iterations.
You know why those 4 stars were selling for 4 Millions a pop? That was because you could not do it with macros.They weirdly changed that in SB, end-game crafting up to there was always difficult and not macroable whatsoever.
But they can change it back for ShB, some players asked for it, Japanese players, players SE loves to please. And I would find it pretty ironical if crafting turns out to be not macroable any more for end-game content, making prices sky rocketing again, up to a point RMT web sites make more money selling directly gears instead of gils, like it was the case before SB.
I would find it satirical, because you’re after money, and with Miqo down, you would completely miss the money train of August Savage, regretting to have called Miqobot solver something not worth the effort.what’s the fun to make bot play instead of you? Does it make you to feel any better after you complete some raid while just running around, and letting bot perform combat rotations instead of you?…
You clearly don’t read what people write. And you clearly don’t know FFXIV. You know WoW, not FFXIV. You read what you wanted to read, not what was written.
What I wrote, every single time on that matter, and you can check, is that I want to use Miqobot for prog.
For the deciphering and learning steps. Because when you can focus yourself entirely on the party and mechanics instead of your DPS, you can learn the fight way faster, and create working strategies way faster.
Three years ago, it was the goal of Miqobot team when they started to talk about making a Combat feature, it was again to help users by saving time, learning faster, saving countless of wipes, alleviating the stress, in a game where the true end-game is an acrimonious firework of completely obscure mechanics.
Yoshida talked about it last week, stating there’s maybe only 3 people on earth capable of creating such fights, if that doesn’t make anyone want to challenge those, then what could?Clearing Savage on week 01 with the lowest item level is quite challenging, DPS checks and healing checks are super tights, close to Ultimate ones, to the point you have to execute perfect DPS and synergy with the party, something current Miqobot can’t do (yet), snapshotting raid buffs, synchronising them with the party, using all your kit to support the party because every single digit counts at this stage, and it’s always a matter of 0.1% everywhere.
I was not planning to clear it with Miqobot, I was planning to prog it with Miqobot. I’m planning to reach a nice ranking in FFLogs, and I’m not sure if in the end of Combat Assist development Miqobot will be able to perform at that level, devs talked about reaching a 97% efficiency, which is completely impressive, but not nice enough for FFLogs, and FFlogs is driving this entire game.
Even if on Ultimate Miqobot can’t pass phases checks, she’s still useful to learn phase after phase. You use her to learn a phase, then you go back on manual mode to clear that phase, and switch back to Assist to learn the next phase and die the later possible, to get the longest possible recording, to see the most possible of that phase, with no tunnel vision, to watch your entire party, to decipher faster the mechanics and come up faster with a strategy.
Clearing Savage on Week 01 can easily take 40 hours. Clearing an Ultimate fight take 200-250hours, whether you’re in the world race and can squeeze that in 10 days, or span it over 2 month, it’s still 200-250 hours, for likely among the hardest fights (if not the hardest) ever created in a video game.
Like Yoshida said it again himself during the media tour, the reason behind that in FFXIV is the party player count, the lower it is, the more they can put responsibilities on a single player. With a tiny 8 players party, they can make it so any personal little mistake is a wipe, whether it is mechanic or “rotations”.
And that’s why they were not able so far to make what the community is asking since years, end-game content for 4 players party. Yoshida said again they can’t, because they would have to put even more responsibilities on a single player, leading to something worst than the 0.03% clear rate of Ultimate.So, any of those hours that Miqobot can save me, she paid for herself.
Did you know that SE devs learn their own fights through 2 god modes (an invincible one and one that leaves you at 1HP and mark you dead), because it’s damn too long to learn them the normal way, and they need to test proof them a little bit (I’m saying a little bit because for UCoB Yoshida wasn’t entirely sure after the release if it was clearable).
So when devs save learning time with god modes, users can fairly save learning time with Miqobot.I have nothing left to prove in this game, you can try to shame me as much as you want, I cleared everything on time since 2010, cleared both Ultimate long before Combat Assist was released, I’m in plenty of global Top100, I’m far from being the best, very far, yet I’m good enough to stand there.
It’s like any FF games, you level up manually your FFV Bartz to level 99, next you prove yourself you can do the same with Lenna, Faris and [SPOILER ALERT] Krile. You no-lifed it one time, you proved you could do it, great, next FF if you’re smarter you take a console Action Replay to get there, and you don’t waste your time on the trivial time sink parts of the game, and focus only on what best it has to offer.
Same stuff with FFXIV, you prove yourself you can challenge everything, from the 1% chance of a 1.0 Sipahi shirt stronghold chest, to 4 stars HW recipes, soloing PoTD, or enduring the 200 hours of leading your static through Ultimate, etc. then you smartly welcome Miqobot for the amount of time she saves, as well as the amount of stress she removes from your shoulders.
But saying that Miqobot users clear raid while just running around, is quite insulting for the users, it’s showing how little knowledge you have about FFXIV, and how much you underestimated its end-game raids.
It’s no mistake if FFXIV is the little brother of FFXI, where some fights remained uncleared for 10+ years.
You might want to search in YouTube FFXIV UCoB clear videos, you won’t be able to comprehend any of those deep obscure mechanics, but maybe you’ll understand that it’s not running around for 19min.Who knows, you might even find that FFXIV is cool after all.
One. Single. Button.
For everything.
Every situation.
Flawless.This is what you can do with macros, too. One button to load certain macro in memory, a click to switch to game window, then another button to launch hour long handsfree crafting.
2 buttons and a click.
Every situation.
Flawless.But, indeed, first you have to set up these macroses.
It’s ironic to read your chapter where you explain you had to change gear many times, switch macros, wasting time on all this, while everywhere else on the forum you beg for fully automated thing from A to Z because your goal is to win money while not spending time to earn it, and yet here you are, wasting time with macros, stats, gears and switches, while Miqo has a one single button for all of it.
You are wrong. It’s never as easy as you say. I earn my money by setting up scripts (be that macros scripts or Miqo scenarios), then I make my comps to use these scripts to grind money for me. In case of Miqo you can’t even pretend that you can just download grids from the corresponding forum section (most of them are flawed – for example, running on foot instead of using mount), so this way or that you HAVE to set up things first. This is how automation idea works since beginning of computer era.
I would find it satirical, because you’re after money, and with Miqo down, you would completely miss the money train of August Savage, regretting to have called Miqobot solver something not worth the effort.
Gimme a break, pretty please… There is just one and only “station” where “money train” starts: one allowing a bot to run 12 hours a day, then allowing farm owner to come, put everything farmed on market (during some halfhour or so of manual play), and (NB!) be sure that everything gets sold until the next day comes. This is NOT what you describe. If you try this in FFXIV (using bot or not), then 1) you run out of retainer slots, 2) you get some dozen or two sold, while the rest will be outbid by other crafters. And, well, I don’t see why would you need a bot to craft two dozens items per day… it’s not like you can’t do it manually!
For the deciphering and learning steps. Because when you can focus yourself entirely on the party and mechanics instead of your DPS, you can learn the fight way faster, and create working strategies way faster.
Three years ago, it was the goal of Miqobot team when they started to talk about making a Combat feature, it was again to help users by saving time, learning faster, saving countless of wipes, alleviating the stress, in a game where the true end-game is an acrimonious firework of completely obscure mechanics.
Yoshida talked about it last week, stating there’s maybe only 3 people on earth capable of creating such fights, if that doesn’t make anyone want to challenge those, then what could?Clearing Savage on week 01 with the lowest item level is quite challenging, DPS checks and healing checks are super tights, close to Ultimate ones, to the point you have to execute perfect DPS and synergy with the party, something current Miqobot can’t do (yet), snapshotting raid buffs, synchronising them with the party, using all your kit to support the party because every single digit counts at this stage, and it’s always a matter of 0.1% everywhere.
Sorry, I just feel like I have to make a short summary for ya. You are slow leaner, lack APM, can’t handle moving, combat rotation and party management AT THE SAME TIME, yet you want to make other people think that you are actually skilled player. So you buy a bot, and make it handge at least combat rotation (and maybe some more, once advanced combat system is out). Yes I bet this tactic will fool many other clan members… but THE question is: can you fool the most important player using this tactic – one you see in a mirror?…
NB! This was an abstract “you”. I dunno, maybe you, Carl Arbogast, will really learn it manually (before updated bot is released), and THEN automate it, once you get bored with completed content. Though, most of player’s won’t. They will just use bot to complete challenges instead of them. This makes me wonder: is it actually intention of Miqo team? To wonder if they work hard to cover needs of skillless casual players who want to look like real pro?
Clearing Savage on Week 01 can easily take 40 hours. Clearing an Ultimate fight take 200-250hours, whether you’re in the world race and can squeeze that in 10 days, or span it over 2 month, it’s still 200-250 hours, for likely among the hardest fights (if not the hardest) ever created in a video game.
You tell me about it… Yes, I don’t know FFXIV [yet]; but yes, I know WoW, which WAS quite similar dozen years ago. Dude, I still remember old Naxxramas, when it was 40-man hardcore raid (40!!! beat that, FFXIV!) rather that current casual 10-man instance. Just 5% of WoW playerbase actually managed to attune for it before Burning Crusade (the first content patch) was released, LET ALONE complete it! And yes, I was among these 5%. And we did it manually, raiding 6 hours every day, after RL work. You tell me about “200-250 hours”, lol… it was more like thousand of hours.
But saying that Miqobot users clear raid while just running around, is quite insulting for the users, it’s showing how little knowledge you have about FFXIV, and how much you underestimated its end-game raids.
To be honest, I struggle hard to NOT spit out actual real insults. I can justify using bots to make real money – it’s like “nothing personal, just business”. Though, I just can’t justify using bot to complete challenges and blend into community of elitist skilled players. Maybe that’s because I’m an old school player myself… And finally, bot dev team which prioritizes needs of such players over making settings for fine-tuning of their bot, and notifications for avoiding bans – is just far, FAR beyond limits of my understanding, yes.
Who knows, you might even find that FFXIV is cool after all.
I’ve never said it is not cool. Well, MSQ is boring piece of s**t, an errand boy/girl sim… but trials and some dungeon bosses are fun enough, I fully agree. Though, as I’ve said, automation takes this fun away from you. It just becomes too easy, and stops making you feel great.
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This reply was modified 5 years, 6 months ago by Gray.
Though, as I’ve said, automation takes this fun away from you. It just becomes too easy, and stops making you feel great.
It doesnt. Try not to assume that your worldview is absolute Gray. Thats tunnel vision.
Youre on a bot forum and youre asking whether it makes us feel good to use it. Yes it does.
Your insults will not change anything. They will only make your opinion look less valuable. We dont question your ability to find a decent job do we?We all tried to help you. From the very start we warned you that RMT is not really a thing here. But still we tried to help. Explained how the game works, gave you ideas, shared knowledge. Yet all we got in return was a shitton of insults towards us, towards the game, towards Miqo, and the dev team. Now at this point youre clearly just trolling. No need for that. You already expressed your disappointment on all possible kinds of magnitude. No reason to keep on whining. Just move on with your life.
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There is nothing wrong with healthy criticism as long as it remains constructive and useful.
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Thank you for your understanding!We dont question your ability to find a decent job do we?
Well you can, and I won’t feel insulted. I’ll answer as it is: after certain event which took place many years ago my mobility is limited, office job is out of question, while freelance is obstructed by Chinese/Indian coders who accept any tasks for any price. This is why I concentrated on botting only since then.
We all tried to help you. From the very start we warned you that RMT is not really a thing here. But still we tried to help. Explained how the game works, gave you ideas, shared knowledge. Yet all we got in return was a shitton of insults towards us, towards the game, towards Miqo, and the dev team. Now at this point youre clearly just trolling.
Not really… Actually, I was first in the topic who took the bait – one skillfully cast by Carl Arbogast. I should have just kept my opinion on this subject for myself, much like I did during previous two months on this forum. I apologize… And yes, I appreciate your help (especially personally your, Lyfox!)
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This reply was modified 5 years, 6 months ago by Gray.
To be honest, I struggle hard to NOT spit out actual real insults.
You are slow leaner, lack APM, can’t handle moving, combat rotation and party management AT THE SAME TIME, yet you want to make other people think that you are actually skilled player.
I won’t take your post as bait, I’ll take it as you’re clueless and begrudge, and you’re making a complete fool of yourself in front of all people here who actually know FINAL FANTASY XIV Ultimate’s difficulty.
I’m tempering myself out of politeness, but after all the insults you directed at me, I’m gonna break down a few things for you.
The current clear rate of Ultimate’s is 0.018%, the number speaks for itself.
FFXIV is one of the very rare game of this genre (if not the only one?) that has content (Ultimate’s) designed for max ilevel, so gear can’t help you there (unlike Savage). There’s no preparation to do an Ultimate, you don’t need to grind extra stuff, or get extra gear after it comes out, it is stripped down to just the fight, so no excuses.
I’m not trying to make a contest between two games, but since you quoted WoW, it’s a good base to instruct you on Ultimate’s.
WoW can’t put as much responsibilities on one player as FFXIV does, it’s by design, it’s 20 versus 8 players. The more players you have, the less responsibilities you can put on a single one. Again, like Yoshida stated, it is why his team can’t design true end-game tailored for 4 players, it would become impossible to clear.
In WoW, fights are also not as long, nor do they have as many mechanics, especially obscure ones that can take days to decipher (I’m looking at you woke Primals).So, among all your insults, you pretended I’m an unskilled player who should be ashamed of himself.
I cleared both Ultimate’s.
Without Miqo, cause everyone but you knows that Miqo had no combat back then, and that the fights are so much complicated and require such a high optimisation of everything that only the player can perform.To be back on topic with your reverse Y axis, and speak a language you seem familiar with, Ultimate’s are 20 times more difficult than an inverted in-flight refuelling in a F-14B with one dead F110-GE-400, or 30 times harder than an Hornet Case III recovery 3rd wire. I can testify that.
The game is so rich that there is as many ways to play it as there are players, every one is free to play it like they want.
So when I started it 9 year’s ago, I set up for myself my own goals and challenges, and I accomplished every single one of them.
FFXIV has 16 millions players with currently a bit over a million of active players, and more in the coming month.
I ranked in several seasons in the Top100 PvP, I qualified for the FRC championship, I’m in the Global Top100 for achievements, same for mounts and minions, I’m in lots of Tops for parses in FFLogs, I lead a notorious static, I have published my facetious video collection of clears, and did all this while having the most fun you can have online, with a genuine comradeship among an uncountable number of adventurers and friends.
So you can try as hard as you can to insult me, and shame me, this will only show you’re clueless about the game you “play”. Try to beat an Ultimate, you’ll see, you’ll understand why there’s so many WoW refugees in XIV. Try to reach the social skills it requires to get into and not destroy a static. Until then, your words are just wind.
Discussions here always been valuable, meaningful, benevolent and free from trolls, likely because Miqobot support and handling are the best ones people have ever seen (this forum is full of users constantly making testimonies of it), this pushed everyone to pull their best behaviour, so please keep your personal insults out, this is a great place all users love.
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