Useless Crafting Actions

[ArcModerator]

I have no clue on what kind of cocaine your Miqobot is, but mine just threw a HQ Grade III Infusion of Strength out of 100% NQ mats against my head with this rotation after 3 mins of calculation:

Step 1. Recommended skill: (Initial Preparations)
Step 2. Recommended skill: (Comfort Zone)
Step 3. Recommended skill: (Inner Quiet)
Step 4. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 5. Recommended skill: (Piece by Piece)
Step 6. Recommended skill: (Manipulation II)
Step 7. Recommended skill: (Rapid Synthesis II)
Step 8. Recommended skill: (Rapid Synthesis II)
Step 9. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
Step 10. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
Step 11. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 12. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 13. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 14. Recommended skill: (Hasty Touch)
Step 15. Recommended skill: (Comfort Zone)
Step 16. Recommended skill: (Specialty: Reflect)
Step 17. Recommended skill: (Great Strides)
Step 18. Recommended skill: (Ingenuity II)
Step 19. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 20. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 21. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 22. Recommended skill: (Great Strides)
Step 23. Recommended skill: (Ingenuity II)
Step 24. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 25. Recommended skill: (Great Strides)
Step 26. Recommended skill: (Byregot’s Blessing)
Step 27. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)

[zgo63925Participant]

miko wrote:

I’m using 24 buttons myself to craft everything in the game. Hasty touch is used for one character specific rotation with spare cp.

https://i.imgur.com/XqnCfnA.png

You’re on the right track Gray. I think having a good understanding of how crafting system works and what efficiency does goes a long way to optimize your rotations and speed. For example miqobot as an extremely inefficient at crafting in bulk or optimizing rotations, yes she can craft with 60 step rotations but ideally you’ll just use a solution with 24-28 steps for **** star recipies as example.

Funny enough I just tested his “24 button magical setup” on my level 70 and it results in this:

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Solver DONE: 873.3282 ms
Step 1. Recommended skill: (Muscle Memory)
Step 2. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 3. Recommended skill: (Inner Quiet)
Step 4. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis III)
Step 5. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis III)
Step 6. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
Step 7. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 8. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 9. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 10. Recommended skill: (Observe)
Step 11. Recommended skill: (Observe)
Step 12. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 13. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 14. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 15. Recommended skill: (Observe)
Step 16. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 17. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 18. Recommended skill: (Observe)
Step 19. Recommended skill: (Observe)
Step 20. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 21. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
SUCCESS
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Ending at 30% HQ.

While I noticed a massive reduction in steps and therefore crafting speed by removing patient touch and hasty touch going as minimal as miko claims seems to not be beneficial.

[LutBotParticipant]

Arc wrote:

I have no clue on what kind of cocaine your Miqobot is, but mine just threw a HQ Grade III Infusion of Strength out of 100% NQ mats against my head with this rotation after 3 mins of calculation:

Step 1. Recommended skill: (Initial Preparations)
Step 2. Recommended skill: (Comfort Zone)
Step 3. Recommended skill: (Inner Quiet)
Step 4. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 5. Recommended skill: (Piece by Piece)
Step 6. Recommended skill: (Manipulation II)
Step 7. Recommended skill: (Rapid Synthesis II)
Step 8. Recommended skill: (Rapid Synthesis II)
Step 9. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
Step 10. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
Step 11. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 12. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 13. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 14. Recommended skill: (Hasty Touch)
Step 15. Recommended skill: (Comfort Zone)
Step 16. Recommended skill: (Specialty: Reflect)
Step 17. Recommended skill: (Great Strides)
Step 18. Recommended skill: (Ingenuity II)
Step 19. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 20. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 21. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 22. Recommended skill: (Great Strides)
Step 23. Recommended skill: (Ingenuity II)
Step 24. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 25. Recommended skill: (Great Strides)
Step 26. Recommended skill: (Byregot’s Blessing)
Step 27. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)

Ugh all those RNG actions Lol with my luck 80% of those would fail. I’ve also NEVER seen miqo use reflect on anything, literally NEVER. Doesnt matter what I set it up to craft ( I only ever use the solver for whites lvl70s and below).

[zgo63925Participant]

Arc wrote:

I have no clue on what kind of cocaine your Miqobot is

That’s what I’m trying to find out lmao

Gray wrote:

P.S. Also I hope applying Ockham’s Razor at DoH abilities gonna make Crafter Solver work faster. 3 mins of “thinking” before 1 min of actual craft is but pain in my arse…

To get back to this, according to my testing it actually does, while the estimated displayed time remains the same, the actual solving time is reduced.

I got rid of an entire bar of random abilities for testing purposes and the solving time got reduced from 5s to 2.3s.

Further testing:

#1:

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Solver DONE: 36618.4132 ms
Step 1. Recommended skill: (Comfort Zone)
Step 2. Recommended skill: (Inner Quiet)
Step 3. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 4. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 5. Recommended skill: (Tricks of the Trade)
Step 6. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 7. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 8. Recommended skill: (Tricks of the Trade)
Step 9. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 10. Recommended skill: (Precise Touch)
Step 11. Recommended skill: (Rapid Synthesis II)
Step 12. Recommended skill: (Comfort Zone)
Step 13. Recommended skill: (Hasty Touch)
Step 14. Recommended skill: (Tricks of the Trade)
Step 15. Recommended skill: (Master’s Mend II)
Step 16. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 17. Recommended skill: (Rapid Synthesis II)
Step 18. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 19. Recommended skill: (Precise Touch)
Step 20. Recommended skill: (Hasty Touch)
Step 21. Recommended skill: (Basic Touch)
Step 22. Recommended skill: (Tricks of the Trade)
Step 23. Recommended skill: (Great Strides)
Step 24. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 25. Recommended skill: (Standard Touch)
Step 26. Recommended skill: (Tricks of the Trade)
Step 27. Recommended skill: (Great Strides)
Step 28. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
Step 29. Recommended skill: (Byregot’s Blessing)
Step 30. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
SUCCESS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

#2:

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Solver DONE: 25300.7478 ms
Step 1. Recommended skill: (Comfort Zone)
Step 2. Recommended skill: (Inner Quiet)
Step 3. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 4. Recommended skill: (Rapid Synthesis II)
Step 5. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 6. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 7. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 8. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 9. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 10. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 11. Recommended skill: (Precise Touch)
Step 12. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 13. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 14. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 15. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
Step 16. Recommended skill: (Master’s Mend)
Step 17. Recommended skill: (Tricks of the Trade)
Step 18. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 19. Recommended skill: (Great Strides)
Step 20. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
Step 21. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
Step 22. Recommended skill: (Byregot’s Blessing)
Step 23. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
SUCCESS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

• This reply was modified 4 years, 10 months ago by  zgo63925.
• This reply was modified 4 years, 10 months ago by  zgo63925.

[ArcModerator]

zgo63925 wrote:

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Solver DONE: 873.3282 ms
Step 1. Recommended skill: (Muscle Memory)
Step 2. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 3. Recommended skill: (Inner Quiet)
Step 4. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis III)
Step 5. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis III)
Step 6. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
Step 7. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 8. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 9. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 10. Recommended skill: (Observe)
Step 11. Recommended skill: (Observe)
Step 12. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 13. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 14. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 15. Recommended skill: (Observe)
Step 16. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 17. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 18. Recommended skill: (Observe)
Step 19. Recommended skill: (Observe)
Step 20. Recommended skill: (Prudent Touch)
Step 21. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
SUCCESS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Something must either be broken with your Miqobot, or you have a severe lack of CP, because in your rotation Miqo uses 2x Observe back to back twice, which indicates, that Miqo couldn’t find a solution with the amount of CP it has in total / the skills that it has access to and was hoping for a “Good” or “Excellent” proc.

Always keep in mind: CP is EVERYTHING. You want at least somewhere around 480+ CP without food. With food and craftsman tea, somewhere in the 540+ CP range. Even Gray, who has pretty shitty stats for a fully geared endgame crafter (somewhere in the 15XX range without food – I have stats somewhere in the 17XX’s) still has over 480 CP without food (If I recall correctly he has even more CP than me because I didn’t meld any crafter tools at all yet and I’m missing like 10 or so CP) and he can solve EVERYTHING with 100% rotations via Lokyst’s solver

[ArcModerator]

EDIT: By the way @gray:
Maybe I’m using the crafting calculator wrong, but so far I was absolutely not able to find a 100% safe macro for crafting Grade 3 Infusions out of 100% NQ materials with just 100% safe skills. Did you find one? They’re the only 4 Star Recipes, that have massively increased requirements (Needing 3728 progress and not 2485 and 29591 quality and not 21137) and even with my high stats (1710 Craft, 1808 Control and 540 CP buffed).
Did you find one? Maybe my settings are wrong. (Usually I use Miqo for that, since with me she never fails even at full NQ)

[johnbParticipant]

Arc wrote:

I was absolutely not able to find a 100% safe macro for crafting Grade 3 Infusions out of 100% NQ materials with just 100% safe skills.

This is a specialist Rotation I use (Almost Max end game stats)

also used team craft rotation to check; it is 100% there

• This reply was modified 4 years, 10 months ago by  johnb.
• This reply was modified 4 years, 10 months ago by  johnb.

[GraySpectator]

zgo63925 wrote:

Funny enough I just tested his “24 button magical setup” on my level 70 and it results in this:

Well, it looks like you have to remove Observe from your hotbar as well… As I’ve said above, I was using it in a single craft only, to receive 1 CP out of Comfort Zone. Miqo, on the other hand, uses it non-stop, wasting CPs and charges of Steady Hand…

Also, as I shown in another topic with examples, Crafter Solver is 20% less effective than perfect crafting sequences, so what did you expect?

Arc: I hope your question is answered by johnb; but if not (i.e. Alchemy is not your speciality), then gimme your approx stats (without 1-2 last digits or so), and I’ll see what could be done. I myself don’t have any problems with it because of the reason you know already, probably: Alchemy is one of my speciality skills.

[ArcModerator]

Arc: I hope your question is answered by johnb;

Well, not completely, because I only have 482 CP and not 493 as base. Tools are the only thing I was too lazy to meld for every job.

but if not (i.e. Alchemy is not your speciality)

My specialities are Blacksmith, Goldsmith and Alchemist, so yes, it is.

then gimme your approx stats (without 1-2 last digits or so), and I’ll see what could be done

You can have the full stats as well, since it won’t matter anymore in 3 days, when my stats are gonna change again, anyways. 1710 Craft, 1759 Control, 482 CP without food and drink. Like I said, Miqo always solved pots 100% HQ for me, but I absolutely agree, that it isn’t the optimal solution in terms of speed and I wanna know, what would’ve been possible with these stats for 100% HQ on these Infusions.

• This reply was modified 4 years, 10 months ago by  Arc.

[johnbParticipant]

Arc wrote:

Arc: I hope your question is answered by johnb;

Well, not completely, because I only have 482 CP and not 493 as base. Tools are the only thing I was too lazy to meld for every job.
…..
1710 Craft, 1759 Control, 482 CP without food and drink.

Rotation is the pretty much the same, simply change the first “Ingenuity II” to “Ingenuity”

• This reply was modified 4 years, 10 months ago by  johnb.

[GraySpectator]

Arc wrote:

You can have the full stats as well, since it won’t matter anymore in 3 days, when my stats are gonna change again, anyways. 1710 Craft, 1759 Control, 482 CP without food and drink.

Overmeld just a single cheapest CP materia into your weapon, and you will be able to use one of my favorite:

Of course, you will need some HQ intermediate mats to be sure you craft HQ infusions (unless you reach as high control as shown on johnb’s screenshot) – which is quite easy, given that crafting these mats from base ingridients produces about 80-90% HQ as well.

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