Useless Crafting Actions

[zgo63925Participant]

Lyfox wrote:

You can make any hotbar class related. Character Config > Hotbar > Sharing. I have 5.

I settled with 4 out of my 5 unshared hotbars, 1-3 base stuff, 4 specialist. 5 is there as a buffer and for my collapsable hotbar macros.

As for useless skills, the only abilities î found were 4 progress abilities.

Rapid Synth, Basic Synth, Standard Synth and Focused Synth.

• This reply was modified 5 years, 6 months ago by  zgo63925.

[GraySpectator]

Lyfox wrote:

You can make any hotbar class related. Character Config > Hotbar > Sharing. I have 5.

Hmmm… either I’m using wrong terminology, or you get it all wrong. I’ve got 3 hotbars displayed at any time / any class. Third of them is shared (i.e. it is always the same, for any class). The first two change as soon as I change class, which is why I call them class-specific. This is why I want to define 24 most useful abilities – so I can put them into 2 class hotbars of every DoH class.

P.S. Also I hope applying Ockham’s Razor at DoH abilities gonna make Crafter Solver work faster. 3 mins of “thinking” before 1 min of actual craft is but pain in my arse…

• This reply was modified 5 years, 6 months ago by  Gray.

[zgo63925Participant]

Gray wrote:

This is why I want to define 24 most useful abilities – so I can put them into 2 class hotbars of every DoH class.

Don’t expect that too work, most if not all DoW/M have 3 full hotbars, DoH have 3-4 depending on specialist. Thats how it is.

[LyfoxParticipant]

Yep i have 5 hotbars that change with the class. Plus 2 shared. All 7 displayed at the same time.

[zgo63925Participant]

Lyfox wrote:

Yep i have 5 hotbars that change with the class. Plus 2 shared. All 7 displayed at the same time.

I have 3 Main Class Bars, 4 Total Class bars (specialist and misc), then I use 2 shared invisible hotbars for Miqo hotkeys (class switching, crafting log, teleport, etc) and then 4 shared hotbars for other stuff.

[ArcModerator]

Lul, I only have 1 shared hotbar for some common stuff like Aetherial Reduction, Desynthesis, Raid buff food and tresure maps stuff. All my other 9 hotbars are either free or used by class-specific stuff. Crafters usually take up 4 hotbars

[GraySpectator]

zgo63925 wrote:

Don’t expect that too work, most if not all DoW/M have 3 full hotbars, DoH have 3-4 depending on specialist. Thats how it is.

It works already… though, I’m not sure if it works at high enough efficiency (at least 95% or so). This is why I asked: tell me what did I lose? Are there any abilities better that above mentioned 24? Can you show me any efficient sequences which rely on abilities not included in my list of 24?

[mikoParticipant]

I’m using 24 buttons myself to craft everything in the game. Hasty touch is used for one character specific rotation with spare cp.

https://i.imgur.com/XqnCfnA.png

You’re on the right track Gray. I think having a good understanding of how crafting system works and what efficiency does goes a long way to optimize your rotations and speed. For example miqobot as an extremely inefficient at crafting in bulk or optimizing rotations, yes she can craft with 60 step rotations but ideally you’ll just use a solution with 24-28 steps for **** star recipies as example.

If you want efficiency I’d advise to look into something like teamcraft and making few predefined rotations for your own gear. As a wow goblin would say, time is money friend.

[zgo63925Participant]

I just had this weird crafting rotation happen.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Solver DONE: 5042.3479 ms
Step 1. Recommended skill: (Comfort Zone)
Step 2. Recommended skill: (Tricks of the Trade)
Step 3. Recommended skill: (Inner Quiet)
Step 4. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 5. Recommended skill: (Rapid Synthesis II)
Step 6. Recommended skill: (Tricks of the Trade)
Step 7. Recommended skill: (Rapid Synthesis II)
Step 8. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis III)
Solver DONE: 343.6414 ms
Step 9. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
Solver DONE: 303.3241 ms
Step 10. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 11. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 12. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 13. Recommended skill: (Comfort Zone)
Step 14. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 15. Recommended skill: (Tricks of the Trade)
Step 16. Recommended skill: (Master’s Mend II)
Step 17. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 18. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 19. Recommended skill: (Precise Touch)
Step 20. Recommended skill: (Hasty Touch)
Step 21. Recommended skill: (Hasty Touch)
Step 22. Recommended skill: (Great Strides)
Step 23. Recommended skill: (Tricks of the Trade)
Step 24. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 25. Recommended skill: (Precise Touch)
Step 26. Recommended skill: (Great Strides)
Step 27. Recommended skill: (Byregot’s Blessing)
Step 28. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
SUCCESS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It used rapid synth twice and then had to resolve the remaining recipe. I assume just a bug? Hope Miqo sees this.

[LyfoxParticipant]

Yea its normal. When solver identifies a mismatch between simulated formula and actual values it recalculates the progress part. Theres an explanation in the guide why it happens.

zgo63925 wrote:

Hope Miqo sees this.

Eventually they will. Devs are heavily pressed with deadlines atm so they cant answer to every topic. But if you want them to see it right now you can contact tech support.

[zgo63925Participant]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Step 1. Recommended skill: (Comfort Zone)
Step 2. Recommended skill: (Inner Quiet)
Step 3. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 4. Recommended skill: (Piece by Piece)
Step 5. Recommended skill: (Ingenuity)
Step 6. Recommended skill: (Tricks of the Trade)
Step 7. Recommended skill: (Rapid Synthesis II)
Step 8. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
Step 9. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
Step 10. Recommended skill: (Master’s Mend)
Step 11. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
Step 12. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 13. Recommended skill: (Tricks of the Trade)
Step 14. Recommended skill: (Comfort Zone)
Step 15. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 16. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 17. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 18. Recommended skill: (Master’s Mend)
Step 19. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 20. Recommended skill: (Tricks of the Trade)
Step 21. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 22. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 23. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 24. Recommended skill: (Patient Touch)
Step 25. Recommended skill: (Master’s Mend)
Step 26. Recommended skill: (Tricks of the Trade)
Step 27. Recommended skill: (Steady Hand II)
Step 28. Recommended skill: (Tricks of the Trade)
Step 29. Recommended skill: (Hasty Touch)
Step 30. Recommended skill: (Hasty Touch)
Step 31. Recommended skill: (Hasty Touch)
Step 32. Recommended skill: (Great Strides)
Step 33. Recommended skill: (Observe)
Step 34. Recommended skill: (Byregot’s Miracle)
Step 35. Recommended skill: (Careful Synthesis II)
SUCCESS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Today I had this nice rotation, which failed (it got like 5% HQ) since it didnt have CP to steady hand the finisher :X

[GraySpectator]

Master’s Mend I?? Patient Touch until the very end? I wonder how high is your HQ rate, at average 😀

[zgo63925Participant]

Out of the 150 items i crafted all easily get to 100% HQ (more like 150% due to the big finisher), this was the only one that failed and it failed big time.

[GraySpectator]

These are 70**+ crafts we are talking about, right? I mean, you can faceroll on keyboard and still HQ normal crafts with a char geared in full Onishi.

[zgo63925Participant]

Gray wrote:

These are 70**+ crafts we are talking about, right? I mean, you can faceroll on keyboard and still HQ normal crafts with a char geared in full Onishi.

It was a level 67 craft since I’m currently getting that crafter up to 70, even more was I shocked to see such a massive fail, I didn’t clean out my hotbars yet ^^

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